We The People (Aired 04-25-25) Immigration, Rights and the Chaos in Florida

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign of we the People, tackling current issues, both political and legal, with common sense. As we the People, we must bring common sense back to make our lives better. Only on NOW Media tv. Welcome to another episode of we the People, where I have the privilege of interviewing experts, lawyers in their fields. And we discuss not only what is legally pertinent for you the people to know, but also how political issues and some of the chaos that is occurring politically, how it affects certain areas of law. I am especially honored to have as a returning guest from last week, East Baza, attorney at law, co founder and partner of Extraordinary Immigration pllc, located in Miami Dade County. See, what's wonderful about east is he is the embodiment, the personification of the American dream, being a young immigrant, being a young child brought over to this country and having all the advantages that we the people have thanks to this great country of ours. But more importantly, especially as much as we're hearing the anti migrant or anti illegal alien fear mongering that is happening, and now we're seeing Florida with Governor DeSantis leading the charge of bringing local law enforcement to enforce immigration. It really benefits us and it does benefit my clients. I know, to learn from someone such as east on what can we do to help help our viewers, your audience, in preparing with this cyclone of, of political like retribution. It seems like. [00:02:10] Speaker B: Yeah, it's, it's certainly chaotic right now. Alina. Right. I think it's, instead of getting lost in the chaos, I think it's really important for immigrants to know their rights. Right. And to kind of know where they stand. Right. Regardless of, you know, the macroeconomic climate, which certainly is not favorable. Right. I mean, individuals have obligations to their families. Right. And to their employers and, you know, to their communities. So I think the number one kind of proactive measure that individuals who are immigrants can take is to be completely cognizant and aware of what their status is. Right. When their status lapses and what to do to remain in compliance with that status. Right. So if you're on a tourist visa, when does your tourist visa expire? Right. You can't work at all because it's a tourist visa. Right. So that's just one example. Each of the separate visa types have their own constraints. Instead, staying within those constraints is essential. Right. For maintaining compliance. And if you want to change your status or to adjust over to a green card, there are vehicles to do that as well. But you want to make sure you're following the law and remaining compliant with everything as you pursue those vehicles to the appropriate destinations, right? And then for companies also, the key word here is compliance, right? You want to make sure you're i9 compliant. And you also want to make sure that you're at least, you know, on the record in writing, communicating with your employees about when their status is lapsed, you know, asking them for their extensions of status. If you're the sponsoring employer, you certainly have more obligations on your plate, right? And you should work with counsel to understand what those obligations are. But of course, you know, communications and writing, informing that employee on whether their status has been successfully extended or if not, you know, what the termination date is, any grace periods that they may have for them and their families to leave the U.S. i mean, the key word here, right, especially in a draconian and punitive environment that we're currently in, is compliance, Compliance, compliance. [00:04:28] Speaker A: And this goes back to how important it is, let's say, for these companies or even for business owners, whether they're small, mid large, to have appropriate counsel by making sure you do have immigration attorneys or a law firm such as yourself to be there to assist in, not only in making sure that the compliance is going according or assisting with, say, the, the extension of an HB1 visa. Because, you know, that's the only one I remember. And it's no fault to each. It's just me. But even still, I could see what a benefit that you and your firm can provide these companies in that you can help them structure the, the, the, the systems to be able to make sure that they're that like, for lack of a better description, a tickler system going, okay, we have Jane Borscht, whose visa will expire May of 2026. We're going to give her an email six months before going the application process to extend that visa or reminders. So this is something your firm is very knowledgeable in, am I correct? [00:05:46] Speaker B: Yeah, that's correct. I mean, you know, it's really important, Alina, to architect systems so that you know, you know exactly the steps to take at which juncture to ensure that, that your organization is fully compliant with the law. And you know, for individuals as well, there's certainly value in having continuing counsel or at least an attorney you can reach out to to make sure that you're on the right side of this maze that is currently immigration law. [00:06:15] Speaker A: And I bring this up because as we were talking off camera, there's a lot. I mean, we're both in the state of Florida, but I think that the state of Florida is reflective of many states of what's happening throughout the United States. But I was shocked to see that as of this week, Florida, with police and sheriff's departments, are working with ICE and doing massive raids along Miami Dade county here in Fort Myers, Lee county, where I'm presently at, and other big metropolis areas throughout Florida. How is this possible? When U.S. v. Arizona State stated that enforcement of immigration, immigration rules, procedures and laws are vested solely in the federal government? I'm at a loss. [00:07:09] Speaker B: So, yeah, it's frustrating because. And we're really seeing our kind of our federal government and our federal governance systems being placed to the test here as far as local, state and federal government. So at the federal level, you've got Judge Kathleen Williams effectively stating that Florida, like Florida law enforcement, can't really be involved, right, in terms of effectuating these arrests with immigrations and Customs enforcement. But then, you know, Attorney General Utmeyer in our state, in Florida, he's very invested, I guess, in kind of furthering this campaign of, of, of having state law enforcement joining ICE raids. And then he's issuing directives to state law enforcement effectively stating that, no, you can go ahead and effectuate these arrests. And then you also then have local law enforcement sheriffs right across the state of Florida, for example, you know, the sheriff, Pinellas county, who's saying, hey, listen, I'm bound by the law here. I'm going to follow the directive from the federal judge and I'm just going to abide by that, that injunction. So, I mean, as, as you know, being a member of the immigrant community, US Law is already difficult to navigate just on your own on a great day, right? On a. On, on. In a time like this where there's so much confusion and, and there's so much, you know, squabbling between different government heads, it just kind of adds to the chaos and it could really contribute to a paralysis and a fear. Right. Of authorities. And that's certainly not what we want, you know, anyone in the United States to really feel there just needs to be clarity, I think, in government in terms of how they want forward with all this. [00:08:58] Speaker A: Well, you see, and this reminds me of like back in like 2010, 2011, around that time. And this is when The United States vs. Arizona case was going through the process, you know, going through the appellate course to the Supreme Court that at that time, like even little towns in central Florida were, were on this. We're going to create city ordinances making it illegal to, to so that their police force can arrest anybody who cannot prove that they are lawfully documented and for. And hold them for ice. Which obviously is clearly not in the purview of any town. [00:09:46] Speaker B: Right. [00:09:46] Speaker A: Whatsoever. I mean, hello, city ordinances. You cannot do that. But it also questions. I mean, as much as I love Governor DeSantis and how he handled all the hurricanes, especially be glad you're on the east coast that we got hammered these last couple years, this is just like, it just seems such an affront to what the separation of powers are and also the separation of powers between federal and state. [00:10:14] Speaker B: Right. [00:10:15] Speaker A: And then it also shocks me, and we're going to get into this even after our break. That is going to be coming up. You know, now they're saying, like, so the police are allowed to go to schools, go into the churches. And it's like, to me, there's the, that's the. It's heart wrenching to think that this is gonna, this is what we're at now where we didn't have that before. But I can't help wonder, what does someone do? Let's just say you're a woman. I'm gonna use. Because say, use an example. One of my clients, one of my clients, she is undocumented. She has been here in the United States for 30 plus years. She was brought over as a young child. This is her home country. And let's just say she's driving and she gets busted because she does not have a valid driver's license, because she is not able to have a license because she doesn't have proper documentation. So let's just say if that happens, that sheriff decides, oh, you're undocumented, you're going to be arrested and we're putting an ice hole. I mean, what does someone in that position do? [00:11:24] Speaker B: Well, there's many avenues for your client to take their Elena, right? I mean, she's entitled to her procedural due process before, you know, effectively just being deported out. Right. So one of the, one of the, the, the avenues that comes to mind is, is withholding of removal. Right. Which is effectively the asylum standard, but at even a higher level. Right. And then there's the Convention against Torture or cat, Right, where, where if she fears that she may face torture or, you know, physical, mental reprisal of home, that, that, that she can put that up in a motion as well. There's also a motion called 42B, where if, you know, there's health conditions that she has and she's being treated for those health conditions here, or she's taking care of family members, perhaps even her own children, right. Given her length of time here, that are US Citizens. And if they have health issues or any concerns, there's also a motion titled 42B. Right. So at that point, it's really important to call counsel and then to see what avenues you have. Right. Work with an attorney who can really issue spot, you know, avenues of relief. Right now there really may potentially not be a relief. Right. But they really might also be. Right. So you really want the answer to that question. And, and you have to work with counsel to kind of reach that point. But it's certainly not a time to throw up your hands and panic. It's kind of a time to, you know, it's obviously nerve wracking. But just breathe deeply and then get strategic about your options. [00:12:58] Speaker A: Okay, thank you so much. We're going to cut for a quick commercial break and then we're going to come back and we're going to discuss more of the immigration aspects and also how now Donald Trump is wanting to waive or have due process, not be a part of the immigration process, which is in your forte as well. So tune right back in after this break as we the people, we must bring common sense back to make our lives better. Only on NOW MEDIA tv. Okay, welcome back. And for those of you just tuning in, I am joined by Isht Bhatsa. He's an amazing immigration attorney. Not only does his firm handle and assist corporations with obtaining and maintaining the visas for their employee base, but his firm also is assisting people with potential deportations or now affected by this, this sweep that's happening in Florida. So, East, I want to jump back into our conversation because this is so interesting and it's so important that we get this message out, especially to those that might be fearful of what their status is. So for those of you in the audience, you may remember, everything was about the dreamers. Let's protect the dreamers. Let's get the DACA board, give them at least certain protections because these were children brought over here without obviously their consent when they're only 5, 6 years old or something. Now fast forward these, these what was once kids or young 20 year olds are now in their 40s, things like that. And we are in an environment that is to say, hostile towards those that may not have proper documentation. So what are some of the hurdles or pitfalls that someone that would be a dreamer, as we used to call them and we still do, would have to look, look for and what are some of the issues for them not to be that may make them not fall within the daca? [00:15:19] Speaker B: Yeah. So, I mean, a lot of a lot of individuals that may have qualified as DACA recipients in the past can't enter DACA now. Right. Because DACA is really mainly focused right now on extensions renewals. Right. For current DACA holders. So that's, that's kind of the first main constraint. Molina and then a lot of individuals that are, that are under daca, they, you know, they're not in, they don't have a valid status. Right. So they have lawful presence here and they can work here potentially through EADs and other items, employment authorization documents and other items that issue. But you know, they don't have a valid lawful status. So it makes it very difficult for them to adjust status or to change status. Right. Status is an annoying concept in a way because in order to change it or to adjust from it, you need to at least maintain it. Right. Or preserve the status that you currently have or, or you know, lawfully extended. Right. So that's another issue facing dreamers. And then a lot of dreamers entered without inspection or you know, in the immigration communities they're known as iwi. Right. Entered without inspection. So that creates another situation as well in terms of difficulties that they face, you know, either adjusting or finding longer term permanent solutions to getting, you know, lawful permanent residency or at least some sort of status stability. [00:16:52] Speaker A: I'm glad you mentioned that. So because again, I tend to like, my basis is, you know, my perception is based on like my clients and their things. So I have clients that husband is US born citizen and his wife unbeknownst in that, I mean she was brought over when she was just a few years old. Right. But because her parents went back and crossed over all the times without inspection, I guess. [00:17:27] Speaker B: Right. [00:17:28] Speaker A: You know, so he was trying to apply for residency for his wife, but it's been denied based on that. So you're having a young child that is penalized because them without a voice. I mean let's. We're in a country that 18 year olds are minors. They're not to be able to be able. They, they can't make legal decisions like that. How did you get around that then? Because here a young girl. [00:17:54] Speaker B: Yeah. So that there is a waiver. Right. So as you know, we know. Right. Because I'm sure this also applies to the family law. But in most types of law, if not all of them, there is the rule and then there's the exception. Right. So there is an exception in immigration law, thankfully and it's called the 601A waiver and you could waive that unlawful presence and Then after you waive that unlawful presence, you could go to a consulate, right? To a US Consulate that would be willing to, to, to admit you to go ahead in there. You have no other deported deportability bar and you could effectively consular process to a green card point. Right. It is, you know, practically impossible to adjust status if you've entered without inspection, because that is one of the requirements to adjust status. So if you can't adjust, you can always consular process. Right. So that's the exception. But even in order to consular process, you want to make sure that you get that unlawful presence washed away through that 601A waiver. [00:19:02] Speaker A: Okay, that's good. I'm going to thank you. Free. That was free legal advice that I could pass on to my clients. Well, hey, I have to, you know, strike while the, the, the, the pan is hot. So, you know, I, and I guess this is what, in listening to you and hearing this, one of my biggest concerns is, is that you are having these raids now and you are having people that are being targeted. And it is, it's, it's racial profiling. Because I assure you, if I'm running down the avenue and I'm blasting my Spanish music, I probably would not be pulled over, you know, and let's say I was speeding pulled over and that I would have an issue, you know. Right. But then I started thinking about this because also I believe it was through executive order, Trump removed any of the temporary protective statuses for Cubans, Venezuelans and Haitians. And I am absolutely aghast at that. Especially you're in Miami, you know how strong the Cuban lobbying efforts are for that. So what do you say to these people who are coming from Cuba? I mean, you know, I have a Cuban background, I'm Cuban. And so here they flee an authoritarian government, absolute poverty and destitution and potential torture, and now they've lost that status. Am I correct in that? [00:20:43] Speaker B: So right now, Alina, actually for both temporary protective status, and they call it CHNV parole for Cubans, Haitians, Nicaraguans and Venezuelans. Right. CHNV parole, both are currently still in place because of federal action in the courts. Right. So again, getting kind of back to that messy system of government that we, that we candidly have. So right now they're still in place. Right. But you're right, that could be, that could be taken away. So there should be other options that those individuals are considering if they do have a potential asylum claim. Right. That should be something they consider. Now, that's not something to take Lightly. Right. Because asylum needs to, you know, you need to show particularized harm to yourself as a member of a particular social group as to why you can't, you know, return back to your home country. Right. That's a pretty high bar to meet. But if you do meet that bar, that's an avenue for you to consider. For Cuban national specifically, there is actually the Cuban Adjustment act which does allow you to apply for adjustment of status after one year as long as your entry into the United States was valid. Right. So there, there are all these avenues that, that exist and I mean there's really no point I think in living in fear even if these parole items are, are removed. It's very important to have all of your, your, your, your, your legal documentation, everything in place. Make sure you apply for the right forms of relief at the right time. And if you choose to depart, you don't do so out of fear. You choose to do so out after you've considered all of your other legal avenues. Right. And then you choose to depart kind of on, on, on your own terms, knowing that you're not subject to any of those unlawful presence bars as well. That can also impact you. So you know, whether, whether you choose to stay or whether you choose to depart, those decisions should be informed by how the immigration law is acting upon you, not a fear based decision. [00:22:45] Speaker A: And what I would suggests, and I provide this advice all the time, one of the best preventative measures you can take as an individual is getting with the right attorney. And I will say you are the right attorney because not only does your firm handle things like on the employment basis like and which is supposedly Trump and his administration are for and bringing high technological people and advancing that. But more importantly, I want everybody to know that not only just go to extraordinary immigration pllc, however it is also so important to have the right attorney because I'm also seeing down where I'm at up here to you is sometimes people are just going to notaries to have them help them with the paperwork. And that is, I'm going to tell you right now that is foolish and scary because what you need is someone who is savvy. And I'm going to say it, if you have an immigration issue, whether you are an employer, an employee or you are looking at making sure to secure your status, contact east at 305-391-2105 and we're also going to have his information on our nowmediatv.com website so that they can get a hold of you. I am so grateful that you came back on East. I love having you and I look forward to having you back again because I'm sure it's going to be very heated and interesting with the legal battle, especially now with what Florida is doing under Governor DeSantis and the legislature's just recent passing of these laws. So I want to thank you again. And we're going to take a quick commercial break and we're going to continue to discuss matters that are important and affect we the people as we the people. We must bring common sense back to make our lives better. Only on NOW MEDIA tv. Hello, and welcome back. I always appreciate so much to have experts and especially knowledgeable experts like East Vaza to come on because what we're seeing politically, yes, it's reminiscent of that Arizona esque type of frame where there was definitely an anti immigrant sentiment back in 2010, 2011 around there. But what we're seeing now is it's on a different level, people. It really is. Because here's one of the greatest gifts that you and I have to being here in the United States of America, and that is that we have constitutional rights and constitutional protections. And one of those constitutional rights is that everyone has the right to due process. What that is is the 14th amendment right of due process in that an individual has the right to go through a court system, whether it's civil, criminal, immigration, yes, even immigration courts have procedures and rules and laws that allow for a rightful process because the individual who is being accused of breaking or violating procedures, a law, or whether they are being civilly sued has the right to, to confront that accused or be able to present defenses against what they are being accused of. So what we're seeing as it was reported today in New York Times that Trump is saying that undocumented immigrants shouldn't get trials before deportation, which is a complete slap against our Constitution. And for the processes that have been honed, are they perfect? Absolutely not. But there are rights. There are systems in place and procedures to ensure that constitutional rights are not being trampled. And I for one, will call out President Trump when I feel he's wrong, just like I had done so against Biden or Biden's administration. And in this, as an attorney, as an individual, as a very grateful first generation US Citizen, I can see where this, this Trump, this setting aside or trying to argue that due process rights are not for deportees can easily be extended to others. Remember when we were looking at how they were ramming people's rights, whether there was a suspicion in arresting them and Keeping them like the Jan6 individuals who may not have entered the Capitol or who may have been part of the, you know, they were following the rest of the flock and going in. And even though they didn't destroy anything, if they were suspected of being part of that, they were arrested and they were being held and detained without possibility of getting bailed out. That was an affront on their, their due process rights, their constitutional rights. And also it was very scary then as it is now that they can turn this against you. And I just like when they were going out after then Donald Trump, former President Trump on bogus charges, some of them were very much Trump. They were tricked up and elevated based on legislatures, let's say the United States, we have a thing called the ocean in between us, right? Oh, and there's Donald himself saying we do have this but it needs to be bypassed. So these remarks that he made in the Oval Office Tuesday that undocumented immigration should not be entitled to trials, that is an affront on our Constitution. That is not who we are. And as my guest stated in criminal court, any defendant has the right to an attorney. If they cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed. That's why we have public defenders. That's why we have court appointed counsel as well. But in immigration court, that is not the case. There is not a right to an attorney. Now if someone can afford an attorney such as my previous guest, that is wonderful. And there are certain organizations, non for profit that do provide assistance. But let's talk about this. You already have a system that is front loaded towards the immigration services for ice, Right. Because you don't have the right to an attorney but you still have procedures and policies, judicial laws, I mean there are laws on how these trials are to be held, what can be happening. And as east was saying, even whether there are certain exceptions to the rule. But this all has to come out so that we're not wrongfully grabbing people off the side of the street saying, oh you're not here legally, off you go. That's not what it's supposed to be. And I'm sure I'm going to get back backlash on this from certain individuals. But just remember this, the reality is is if you happen to be of a certain skin tone and yes, I don't like playing the race card but the reality is is that targeting individuals that may not look like they are here or if they speak a foreign language. And then there's the question, are they here undocumented? I mean me, yes, I'm bilingual, yes, I listen to Spanish music. Am I going to be questioned as to or have to prove whether I am in fact a US Citizen? Probably not. Just because the racial profiling, I don't fall within it. But there are those that can take it too far, just as we have seen. You know what? The vast majority are great cops. The vast majority are great immigration services. And then you have one. And then we go on to like this gentleman here that is being shown, you know, where he is, an Ms. 13 gang member. And the, the immigration court in 2019 and an appellate court in 2019 upheld his deportation order and found that, yes, he was part of this gang, but there was a withholding order put in. What basically says is, yes, there is a deportation order, but we are going to withhold deportation based on the fact that his attorneys were able to argue successfully that there was an actual physical threat to him if he was returned to his home country of El Salvador. Now he's there. Now, was there a deportation order? Yes. Was that withholding order on the basis that in an opposing gang would physically be the reason why he should be staying in the country? Yes. And maybe they are wiped out, that is. But there is such a thing as a hearing. And we all know that President Trump loves to use hyperbolic, expansive, very dramatic language, let's put it that way. And I know that he does it more for effect than maybe what is literal. Because one thing I have learned in following Donald Trump, and there are things that I do agree with Donald, I will say it, I also disagree with him on some things like that deportee doesn't have the right to a hearing. That, that doesn't make sense to me. That's contrary to our Constitution. However, you gotta look at what happens afterwards. And right now in Florida, what we're seeing is Desantis jumping on his back to putting on the cape of anti woke. And now it's anti undocumented and bringing in local law enforcement to weed out and assist in raids, which has clearly been stated by in U.S. v. Arizona, United States vs. Arizona, that immigration policies, immigration enforcement, immigration laws are wholly 100% under the jurisdiction of the federal government. Now, for those of us who say, absolutely, if you are a violent criminal, you should be deported, absolutely, let them go through the criminal process or at least be deported. Because what's happening is if you get charged, let's say, for instance, if you're just driving down the street, you get pulled over and you have a, you get arrested for a driving while, license suspended or not without a license and the judge puts you, you know, sentences you to a few days in jail, let's say 10 days in jail. That triggers an ice hold. That individual now will be subject to deportation or be picked up by immigration services. Now, is that a violent criminal? 80%. They try to say 80%, but it's more like 56% of the people polled recently under CBS poll have stated that they want all illegal immigrants out of the country. 11 million. However, what most people want are the violent criminals, the ones that are causing chaos, selling drugs, caught committing crimes, rape, everything. I mean, we're talking major gang bangers or major criminals. Then absolutely, let them be arrested, let them have their day in court and then have that deportation. Because it's very important to note that they need to be placed under that process. But the bottom line is it has to go through a process. It has to be constitutional. We're going to take a quick break and we're going to continue talking about what is happening here in Florida. But then why is it that the Democrats don't seem to get that they should be on a certain path to being able to gain more interest in them or approval rather than the path that they're going on? Because this woke train of progressiveness is not helping them, especially as we're looking at the midterms. And that's something else that Trump has to be continuing to look at, what's going to happen in the midterm election. We're going to take a quick break and then we will final sum up some more of the politics that are affecting we the people, as we the people. We must bring common sense back to make our lives better. Only on NOW Media tv. So just as a recap, because we are going to move on from the immigration issue and it is a hot button topic. But so here in Florida. So if you recall, DeSantis had been like battling. It's like two rams. You have Governor DeSantis versus the legislature. And here in Florida, we're kind of like butting heads on this immigration law and enforcement and such. And though it may not have been everything DeSantis wanted, he definitely won. But then now you have beginning this past Monday here in Florida, police, local police, sheriffs joining federal immigration enforcement operations with a target of at least 800 illegal immigrants. And though they're saying these are criminals and such, okay, great. Are they focusing on major criminals? Are they focusing on like the ones that have already been convicted of the crimes and then gathering them so that it's out? That's where the question is, but really where the true battle is happening is that a federal judge entered not one, but two clear and direct order stopping enforcement of the Florida law, allowing local enforcement, law enforcement join ICE in these raids. And, and the attorney general's letter makes us gravely concerned that Floridians will continue to be arrested under this unconstitutional statute. And bottom line is you have like the sheriff from Pinellas county saying, look, I'm bound, I took an oath to abide the law. And right now the judge's order prevails. And then we have our state general, attorney general here in Florida saying, nope, we're not going to abide. You continue to do it. We'll deal with it later. So this is where we're going to have the issues come up because when you have you're having the state of Florida basically saying we're doing what we're going to do, we're going to continue doing it until such time as somebody tells us we can no longer do it. But I'm absolutely shocked and dismayed that our attorney general is taking this hard stance that they're not going to follow the what a judge ordered. And that seems to be the prevailing sentiment. And it's, and it was started last, it really was part of the last administration as well, basically saying we don't care what the, you know, the judiciary saying we're going to continue doing like the loan forgiveness. When the judiciary came back saying this is not part of the executive powers, it's solely in Congress, they didn't care or even on some of the issues relating to securing the border and Biden's administration did not care. We have a slippery slope here, folks. When we have states that are saying, you know what, we're not going to follow what a judge says and we don't care until something finally comes about that is a problem because that puts chaos. And as I stated before, you cannot have a democratic society without a strong independent judicial system that actually is able to correct step things and also define. But we're going to move on from this because we have been talking about a very heavy subject and it's something that we're going to continue to follow because we're not going to hear the end of it. Yes, we have Democrat senators now, more senators going down to El Salvador to talk with, with that MS.13 alleged MS.13 gang member who was deported under the previous deportation orders. But you know what, we thought we could count him out. And yes, this is how we're doing the segue. The Democrats tailspin is continuing. But you know who is now out in the public? Former President Joe Biden. It is unbelievable. As many problems as Trump has, the other party can't seem to take advantage. You think things couldn't get any worse for the Democrats after a March 11 NBC News survey found only 27% of Americans had a positive view of the party. It's their lowest rating ever, but yet here they go. They continue to beat this drum. They continue to go to such extremes and focus on an extreme and not looking at what caused this huge pendulum switch for voters who voted for Biden in 2020 leave and go to Trump. And that's really where it is. It's like you got to look at it going, what the hell, people? Do you not get it? What you were selling, the goods you were selling that ended up being sold because let's face it, Biden, when he was running 20:20, saying he was a moderate, he believed in, in, in working together. And he was supposed to be the president of unity, not disunity. And then he ended up going on this extreme progressive agenda, railroading what we the people really wanted or needed. And yet here we go again. The Democrats seem to still go down the beaten path following AOC and Bernie Sanders, banging the drums of extremism and ignoring what we the people are most focused on. What we the people, when sitting at the kitchen table are talking about and saying, this is what is affecting us. But Joe Biden, he shuffled out onto a stage in Chicago go Joe. You know, in his little way of shuffling and his mumbling and I'm sorry, I just can't imagine what would be so enthralling about a conversation with Joe. But if Joe is good and he's angry, then you'll have some emotion. But he wasn't in Chicago, and he is attacking his successor, which, to be fair, Trump is constantly bashing Joe Biden. So why not? So now we have Joe Biden out there giving some hunches to Trump before an audience advocating for the disabled. And the party knows Mr. Biden is a liability. Former President Biden is still an extreme liability for the Democratic Party because you don't know how he's going to act and also because he still has the specter of that fateful debate night last year. But, you know, Biden is telling the Democratic Party, hey, I'm available. I'll campaign with you. I'll help with the midterm elections. And there are crickets because nobody wants Joe on the stage. And not to be outdone, Biden's out there and he's getting paid. Don't think that, you know, yes, he is being paid, which good for him. He's, you know, this is something that past presidents are able to do. They get paid to go and speak. But not to be outdone, Al Gore, former President Al Gore under the Clinton years, which, oh by the way, do you remember that administration had the highest deportation rate. They had over 12 million deportations during their eight year terms. But Al Gore jumped into the action Monday at a San Francisco climate conference preferred confessing that he understands very well why it is wrong to compare Adolf Hitler's Third Reich to any other movement which he was referring to the MAGA movement and it was uniquely evil, full stop. Except he couldn't stop himself. Then he went on the tirade of how Trump and MAGA are very much the same as Hitler. This did not work the last time. It did not work in November, did not work in the 2024 presidential campaign. People are not stupid as much as you wish that to think that we are. We the people know better and we're not taking the Hitler analogies or metaphors. So for those of you who are wondering what the hell happened to the Democratic Party, this is what happened. The Democratic Party is solely concentrating on one thing and that is we hate Trump. We're going to bash Trump, we're going to show how evil he is. Guess what guys, he won the damn election. It's time to maybe focus in on what is important to the average American. The Democratic Party once was the party for labor, for the workers. Guess what? No more. They're all on the Republican or the MAGA side or independence. And at least with Al Gore, he did attack Republicans as a whole. He was inferring the MAGA unit. He did not, he did not focus just on Trump. But then you got to look out what is happening on the Democratic National Committee. When you had The Vice Chairman, 25 year old David Hogg, you know he was elected to try to bring in the the younger people because that younger population, that Gen Z generation Z were really much are adhering more to the conservativeness they were following not necessarily maga but they were finding that they fall more in line with conservatives and were voting more for Trump and such that here you have David Hogg who is an anti gun activist threatening to spend $20 million to defeat older incumbents in Congress. Yes, this is what the DNC has come to that Mr. Hog stated that it's out with the ineffective and in with the effective and that he had named himself the judge, the jury and executioner for Democratic House members insufficiently left wing. This is not the way to win the midterm elections. This is not the way to inure yourself to a population as a whole. Because remember, not Everybody's in that 20% or even less that they are. Extreme progressiveness. And I mean when you have aoc, when you have Bernie Sanders fighting the oligarchy on their road show. Yeah, they're getting tens of thousands of people to their rallies. Good for them. They were at Coachella talking. But you know what? They're talking to their base. And the problem is is that that base is not reflective of the, of the 70%, the 60, 70, 80% of us that are saying we're looking at our grocery bills, we're looking at our children, whether they will be able to buy real estate. We're looking at how are we going to get out of this inordinate debt that people are out. Because unlike any other era we have had in the past four years, more and more people depending on credit cards to get by. That is an issue. You know what? I would love to see Bernie Sanders reach out to Trump and actually get a bill together co author a bill about putting tapping credit card interest rates that are now upwards of 30% plus some 33% and cabinet 10%. Because remember Trump did run on that and Bernie even said hey, I agree with that. So why not do that? Why not show that you can take what are the issues that are most pressing for the average American, not the elite liberal sector, the average American. And why not come up with co Arthur bills like that had that like of which has been done during the Clinton administration, during the the George W. Bush administration, even during Ronald Reagan administrations. Let's get back to common sense, not neophyte fear mongering. You're Hitler. Because guess what then you're not going to get anywhere and you're not going to move the needle. And eventually what you're going to see is that what was once a Democratic Party no longer existing. And I would say it's coming close to that end now. I am Alina Gonzalez Thackeray. I want to thank you for joining me for another episode of we the People. And I look forward to seeing you all back here next week and wishing you all a good night and a great weekend. [00:50:16] Speaker B: This has been a NOW Media Network's feature presentation. All rights reserved.